Interview: Lail Arad (The Songs Of Joni Mitchell)

As someone who has felt inspired and in awe of Joni Mitchell for the last thirty years, counting Ladies Of The Canyon as one of my most played records, I was extremely excited to see that there is going to be a whole event dedicated to her and her incredible songwriting this April. Featuring wonderful musicians such as Emile Sande, Jesca Hoop, Kate Stables (This Is The Kit), Sam Amidon, Vashti Bunyan and Eska, The Songs Of Joni Mitchell will take place at the Roundhouse in Camden on 18th April, and has all been lovingly curated by musician and songwriter, Lail Arad.

We spoke to Lail about her inspirations for putting on the event, what to expect and how Joni’s legacy continues to live on and inspire musicians today. Have a read, and hopefully we’ll see you at the Roundhouse for what promises to be a magical evening!

For those who don’t know Lail Arad, are you able to tell us a bit about yourself and what you do? 
I guess my official day job is a singer-songwriter. I’ve been writing, recording, releasing and performing music for a many years now, and have a new record coming up soon… Meanwhile the touring hiatus started by the pandemic (and extended by having a baby) has led to some tangential music and writing projects… One of which we’re about to discuss! 

You’ve curated a very special event at The Roundhouse dedicated to Joni Mitchell, which is taking place in April. When I saw this was happening, I was incredibly excited as she’s one of my all-time favourites – such a completely inspiring songwriter and vocalist. So, thank you for putting it together! Are you able to tell us a bit about the event and what initially inspired you to do this? 
Perhaps unsurprisingly she is one of my all-time favourites too! Last year I was reading about her comeback appearances and noticed she was 79… I looked up when she’s turning 80 and realised it was the same month I was turning 40. So I thought great, I can celebrate her birthday instead of mine! The idea rolled on very organically from there – snowballed I should say – largely because everyone I talked to was so enthusiastic and wanted to be involved. So I approached the Roundhouse, who were equally excited about it, and from there we worked very closely together – are still working very closely together – to produce the show. It’s going to be the opening night of their annual In The Round festival. For me that’s just perfect because we’ll get the magnificence of the Roundhouse building, but with the intimacy and focus of the festival’s seated, in-the-round set-up. I always envisioned a very stripped-back affair, with Joni’s songs right at the centre; no big house band, just each artist sharing their own magical interpretations.

There’ll be a number of great artists performing, including Emile Sande, Kate Stables (This Is The Kit), Eska and of course yourself. How did you go about selecting who was going to perform – did artists reach out to you, or did you select people you thought would be particularly well suited to Joni’s songs? 
The main criteria really is to invite artists who are self-professed Joni fans and have been influenced by her work in some way. I hope this has led to a line-up which will reflect the many different worlds of music within her own repertoire, as well as the musical diversity she has gone on to inspire. 

And the lovely Cerys Matthews will be hosting the event. How did this come about? 
The thinking was very simple: Should we have a host? Yes, but only if it’s Cerys Matthews! Luckily she liked the idea. She’s a real Joni connoisseur, as well as a most excellent presenter. 

The Roundhouse is a pretty iconic venue, and I would think the perfect space for the songs of Joni to resonate throughout. As an artist and performer yourself, what has your experience been of different venues and their acoustics? Are there any particular qualities you generally look for when selecting places to play? 
There are certainly things I seek out when choosing venues, though I’m not sure I’m enough of an audiophile to consider acoustics first… I enjoy playing alternative spaces – galleries, bookshops, churches. And the Roundhouse is so special because it was originally built as The Great Circular Engine House – to turn around and service steam engines!

Obviously, Joni Mitchell is a huge inspiration to many vocalists and songwriters still today. How would you say she’s influenced the work you do? 
Probably so completely that I’m not even aware of it. I was brought up on her music by my hippie parents, so I’ve never not had her songs in my life. Like many songwriters I write very personal, confessional songs, and I take that freedom for granted – but I’m not sure anyone would be doing that now if Joni hadn’t dared to do it first. Also, many people probably think of her lyrics as largely, well, ‘Blue’… But I find so much humour and wit and playfulness in her writing, which I love and strive for in my own lyrics. She’s equally trailblazing in her musicianship of course – melodies, tunings, singing, piano, guitar, dulcimer, performance, production – and just the way she continued to explore and evolve. Having all that as an example, it’s like a horizon you keep walking towards, knowing you’ll never quite reach, but it urges you to keep moving forwards. 

And, I have to ask – what is your favourite Joni song (or album) and why? (I think my favourite album would have to be Ladies Of The Canyon…) 
I think I’m with you on Ladies Of The Canyon, at least nostalgically. It was the first record I really got to know, for myself. ‘Big Yellow Taxi’ is the first song I ever performed in front of an audience, aged 11! In a little yellow belly top from Gap Kids.

As well as a vast array of her own material, Joni Mitchell is also known for collaborating with a number of other artists, like James Taylor and Charles Mingus. Is there anyone in particular that you’ve always dreamed of collaborating with? 
I’d love to work with David Byrne. Or even just be one of the backing singers in Stop Making Sense, that would be enough for me. 

What do you think young artists today could learn from Joni Mitchell?
Do whatever the hell you want. And make sure it’s very, very good. 

A slightly off-Joni related question – but as we’re an organisation that promotes and supports women and the queer community in music, I just wondered what your thoughts were about the industry today, and how you feel its treatment of women has changed or improved over the time since Joni started out? 
Obviously we’ve come a long way since when Joni was basically the only woman in the room. The Grammys proved that recently! And obviously there’s still a way to go, but I do find it very encouraging how many incredible women I’m working with on this show. In the lineup, needless to say, but also: the head of music at the Roundhouse Lucy Wood, the production manager Anya Tavkar, our publicist Jodie from Stay Golden – that’s a lot of women at the helm.

We’re very much looking forward to the event! Is there anything else you’d like to add?
Ah yes, I’d like to give a mention to the Roundhouse Vocal Ensemble, made up of young people from the Roundhouse Creative Studios. They’re going to be performing on the night – rehearsals are already underway, and it’s sounding super exciting!

Massive thanks to Lail for speaking to us!
The Songs Of Joni Mitchell will be taking place on 18th April at the Roundhouse, as part of the ‘In The Round‘ festival – it’s currently sold out, but you can join the waiting list for tickets here.

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LIVE (Photos): Deer Shed Festival 2023 (Day 2: 29.07.2023)

Having fallen in love with North Yorkshire festival Deer Shed when I attended for the first time last year, I was super glad I got to go again this year. Highlighting a real family focus, whilst hosting an incredible range of exciting new artists, it oozes the warmest of vibes and – being smaller in size than most other festivals – creates a space that feels comfortingly intimate; an inclusive safe haven for artists and fans of all genres and ages. Whilst providing a child-friendly environment (with an array of activities organised specifically for them), this does not take away from the quality and array of performances on offer for everyone to enjoy. Although I’d say I’m in the minority of attendees who does not have children (or isn’t a child themselves!), I in no way feel this to be hindrance – it is still very much an ‘adult’ festival, just one that happens to also be a safe and fun environment for kids to be in too! And, amongst those performing, a fantastic amount of female, non binary and queer performers are represented, which makes for a pretty dreamy time. I was lucky enough to catch lots of these over the weekend – a good balance of artists I already knew and loved, and those who I had not had the chance to see before.

Kicking things off nice and early at the In The Dock stage, Sister Wives rouse the senses with their evocative ethereal soundscapes. With their quirky charisma and glistening soaring harmonies, the Cardiff-via-Sheffield band offer a unique fusion of traditional folk-inspired musicality with a gritty, fierce energy, all delivered with a mystical, bewitching allure.

After a refreshing local beer, and with a glimmer of sunshine poking through the clouds, we catch the lilting uplifting energy of Rozi Plain on the main stage, as a soothing twinkling grace emanates throughout the swaying crowd.

With the sun now in full force, we return to the main stage to catch another Welsh band – I’m very excited to finally see Panic Shack, having been a fan of their frenzied tongue-in-cheek post punk for a couple of years now. Fully aware of the age range of the crowd, they kick things off with the perfectly anti-conventional ‘Baby’; there’s a weird sort of irony seeing kids on their parents’ shoulders bopping and singing along to “I don’t wanna hold your baby / Kids are not for everyone”, and I’m instantly in love with the fierce tenacity of this band. Apologising for some naughty words throughout the set (“Hope the kids have ear defenders on”), they blast through each song with an immense ferocious energy – from the synchronised statuesque poses of ‘Mannequin Man’, to the martial arts-inspired dance moves of ‘Jiu Jits You’, Panic Shack deliver each angst-driven, subtly political anthem with a searing riotous power and infectious sneering wit. A total must-see live band, and probably my highlight of the weekend. (A stand out moment for me being hearing a child ask their mum “what’s baccy?” after ‘Who’s Got My Lighter?’ closes the fantastic set.)

After all that excitement, and perhaps the tastiest vegan hot dog I’ve ever had (with extra pickles of course), we head to The Lodge tent for a chilled out interlude. I’ve been meaning to see Hussy for a while, so I’m very glad that she made it here – having had two trains cancelled, but “with perseverance we can get there in the end”. Exuding an effervescent grace as her dreamy offerings showcase her rich emotive vocals, it’s a beautifully stirring set oozing a shimmering musicality reminiscent of the likes of Lucy Dacus.

Continuing the dreamy vibes, it’s a delight to catch This Is The Kit for the first time in long while (I last saw them at the Southbank Centre about eight years ago, when a woman shouted at me for accidentally spilling my drink on her. So, I’m looking forward to a less traumatic set this time…!) With an endearing charm and witty birthday trivia interweaved in between each beautiful song, Kit and co immerse the crowd in their sparkling, uplifting energy as each track flows with a blissful allure.

Then it’s back to the In The Dock stage for total faves Sprints; having caught them live in Belfast at the Women’s Work Showcase last year, I couldn’t wait to catch their electrifying energy live again; and I wasn’t to be disappointed. Warmed by the sight of a front row filled with excitable teenage girls and pals lightly moshing, I’m once again grateful to Deer Shed for offering this experience to young people who wouldn’t necessarily get the chance to see live music of this kind normally; to see a band like Sprints, and a front person like Karla Chubb, inspiring and motivating young people gives me a bit of hope that everything is not quite so bad after all… From more familiar songs like ‘Literary Mind’ and ‘How Does The Story Go?’ to brand new, unreleased songs, the band race through the set with a truly compelling fierce energy as Chubb’s distinctive gritty vocals and empowering stage presence take hold. And, as if that wasn’t enough, we’re also treated to special guest stage invasion from English Teacher, who join Sprints for a magnificent mash-up of Wet Leg’s ‘Chaise Longue’ with Le Tigre’s ‘Deceptacon’. Pretty epic.

We return to The Lodge tent to absorb the glitchy, euphoric soundscapes of Glasgow’s Free Love. As bouquets of flowers are torn apart and showered over the crowd, trippy ethereal vibes emanate from the trio as I’m taken back to a ’90s French Disko and contentedly dance along with the kind of gentle confidence that only really comes from being in a field surrounded by live music and happy (slightly inebriated) fellow festival goers.

We end the night with the uplifting funk-fuelled sounds of all female jazz collective All Day Breakfast Cafe. With a playful energy, the band deliver a fantastic array of songs, showcasing each of their incredible musical talents and Jelly Cleaver’s artful skill of creating instantly catchy, nostalgic-yet-fresh takes on a mix of genres, all rooted in the empowering unity of the disco movement. As the all-ages crowd dance along in blissful unity (some people even winning pain au chocolats for their efforts!) to each colourful offering, the band’s effervescent energy spreads throughout the tent; a perfect way to close a joyous day of festivalling. And we even get a sneak peek of their upcoming new single, ‘Sweet Revenge’, set for release on 16th August – so, keep your ears and eyes peeled!


So, thank you Deer Shed for another gorgeous weekend, I’ll see you again next year (not even holding it against you that I came back with Covid…)! Stay tuned for photos of, and words about, Day 3! And see our review of Day 1 here.


Words: Mari Lane / @marimindles
Photos: Paul Dawes / @pauldawesart

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INTERVIEW: Kate Webster of Deer Shed Festival

Last year I attended Deer Shed Festival for the first time, and I promised myself it would the be the first time of many as it was such a glorious weekend! Having not been to a festival for a few years, I was keen to find one that was as lovely as possible, and suited my needs of being perhaps a little older than the average festival-goer without missing out on any of the best new music. I wanted a festival that was inclusive, chilled-out, family friendly, and of course hosting plenty of amazing female and non-binary bands and artists… And Deer Shed more than delivered on all fronts.

Highlighting a real family-friendly focus, whilst hosting an incredible range of exciting new artists, the North Yorkshire based Deer Shed perfectly filled the festival-shaped-void I’d been feeling, and – with highlights from last year including Self Esteem, CMAT, Straight Girl, Nadine Shah and Denise Chaila – I cannot wait to return in a couple of weeks.

We caught up with festival director Kate Webster to talk more about Deer Shed’s roots, its ethos and inclusive line-up, some of the most special Deer Shed moments of years gone by, and more… Have a read below, and have a listen to our special Deer Shed 2023 playlist, featuring some of our personal faves who’ll be playing at the festival this year, at the bottom of this feature!

Hi Kate! 2023 will be Deer Shed’s 13th year – hopefully lucky for some! Can you tell us a bit about what Deer Shed is all about, and how it all started out?
Deer Shed Festival is a boutique music, arts & science festival based in North Yorkshire parkland, aimed at families who don’t want a dumbed down experience just because you have kids in tow.

What strikes me about Deer Shed and makes it stand out against other festivals at the moment is the good gender balance of the line up – was there an intentional and specific decision to do this, or does it just naturally pan out that way?  
I booked the festival up until our 11th year and initially it happened unconsciously just because of the music I like. After a while, we decided it make it a policy of the festival that our gender split should be 50/50 and also at least one of the headlines needs to be female and/or non binary. It’s been great – because of our size we have been able to give some deserving acts the chance of a festival headline. Can you believe that we gave Goldfrapp they’re first festival headline in 2018?! I find that bonkers!

Over the last 12 years, you’ve hosted some amazing bands and artists including Self Esteem, Nadine Shah, CMAT, Kae Tempest, Anna Calvi, Big Joanie, Ezra Furman, The Go Team! and Honeyblood, but has there been a particular set that stands out for you as a personal highlight over the years?
Kae Tempest for sure. It was 2017, they were promoting Let Them Eat Chaos which is a phenomenal album, and it was also their first festival headline. The actual performance was extra special to me and many of the audience that evening.  The skies darkened, the rain poured and in the distance, lightning flashed. It meant, for those who stayed (and a lot did), the whole experience was electrifying and so moving. I still get shivers now when I think about the power of that evening. It was like nature knew what the backdrop should be for that performance.


And this year you’ve got some GIHE faves playing (The Big Moon, Dream Wife, This Is The Kit, English Teacher, Sprints…). Curating such awesome line ups must be a lot of work – how do you normally go about it? Is it all based on bands/artists that have got in touch with you over the year? 
We’ve had a booker for the last couple of years – I think Covid meant the job had got harder and I needed a break. It was also a good time to get some fresh ears to help. However, as festival director, I still want input and I think next year we’ll bring it in house again. We generally start with a wish list and play fantasy festival which is great fun; the whole Deer Shed team are into music, so everyone chips in and has suggestions of who they have seen perform during the year or might have new music coming out. We talk to friends in the industry and agents, so see what’s going on. Practically speaking, we only start making offers in Autumn, so that’s the best time to contact us. We must get the headlines in place before moving down the bill which can take some time.

And for any upcoming bands/artists looking to apply for festivals next year, do you have any tips?
Start building a live following in your local venues. Practice to become a great performer and engage with your audience. A festival crowd is different to your own show – you have one song to win them over! Whilst a lot of artists get an online following and good streaming numbers, it doesn’t always translate to live.

There seems to be a definite focus on making the festival as family-friendly as possible, and when I was there last year it just had the nicest, most relaxed vibes I’ve ever experienced at a festival! What inspired the idea to do this, and stand out from other festivals in this way? 
When Oliver and I decided to give it a go, it wasn’t long after festivals like Latitude & Camp Bestival had started and there was no one doing anything similar in the north. I couldn’t see live music like I had done because of family commitments, and many events near by didn’t offer me the chance to see great music and have the kids entertained. So, Deer Shed was really built for me & my friends initially – music fans who happen to have kids. It turned out there were other people like me!

Do you feel much has changed over the last few years in the music industry’s treatment of new artists, particularly female and non-binary artists? 
I think there is more awareness of mental health and agents/managers are now more mindful over booking artists. I also hope the idea of booking a tokenistic female/non-binary act has come to an end… But I do still worry that some young female artists are led a certain way on how they present and what they wear. There seem to be some genres of music where I’m not convinced that a stylist/photographer/label didn’t have a brief to come back with a certain look.  

Finally, as we’re a new music focused site, are there any particular new bands or artists you’d recommend we check out?
I’m totally excited that we managed to book Grove this year. I know they’re not that new but their energy, style & music is infectious. So good live! I’ve not seen Pet Snake live yet, but I’m loving the Liverpool based artist – alt folk/indie at its best, just great songwriting.  

Massive thanks to Kate for answering our questions, and for organising such a stellar festival year on year! Deer Shed Festival 2023 is taking place from 28th – 30th July and headliners include The Delgados, The Comet Is Coming, The Big Moon and This Is The Kit – more information here.

Get ready for the festival by listening to our playlist of brilliant bands playing this year here:

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Five Favourites & Video Premiere: Piney Gir – ‘The Seventh Dial’

Following acclaim for her otherworldly latest EP Alchemy Hand, and having recently shared stages with the likes of Gaz Coombes and Noel Gallagher, London based artist and self-proclaimed witch Piney Gir has now shared a magical new video for latest single ‘The Seventh Dial‘.

Having always been a little witchy, rebelling against her super strict Christian-Kansas upbringing – finding comfort in nature, connecting with creative souls and sensing different energies – she has only recently publicly defined herself as ‘a witch’. And what better way to celebrate this than to share a mystical new video. Floating with a lilting energy and resplendent grace, ‘The Seventh Dial’ oozes a majestic effervescent splendour and colourful ethereal aura as Piney’s honey-sweet vocals flow with a swirling psychedelic allure. A bewitching offering that’ll draw you into the soothing, sparking majesty of Piney Gir’s world.

To celebrate the release of ‘The Seventh Dial’, we spoke to Piney about her Five Favourites – five songs that have inspired this release the most; the witchiest tunes that she relates to and have influenced her on her magical journey. Read about her choices below and make sure you watch the beautiful new video for ‘The Seventh Dial‘ at the bottom of this feature!

This Is The Kit – ‘Moonshine Freeze’
I love this song, firstly because it has that kind of magical-mystical groove thing moving throughout the track that just keeps going like a perpetual-musical rolling-river. Lyrically she talks about the cycle of three, which is literally a reference to Neopaganism; she talks about natural order which appeals to my inner green witch. This Is The Kit will always have a special place in my heart because it’s the first gig I saw after all the Covid lockdowns. It was a show at the Barbican and masks were mandatory, only every 3rd seat was full – it was certainly a ’new normal’ at that point… It was such an emotional show, and they were the perfect band to see for that moment, my gateway back into live music. I may have had a little happy cry.

 Nina Simone – ‘I Put A Spell On You’
Nina Simone puts a spin on this classic blues song originally by Screamin’ Jay Hawkins with lush string orchestration reminiscent of Gerswhin. She smooths out the track with her bewitching, jazz-piano skills, and her voice preserves the raw energy of the original version – it has a gritty, almost other-wordly quality to it! Nina Simone walked among us, but she was not one of us, she was like a voodoo high priestess on another dimension channelling her magic that sometimes feels a little bit dangerous. 

Kate Bush – ‘Cloudbusting’
When I was a kid I used to pretend to make a witch’s potion in the garden – I’d get the biggest pot I could find and fill it with flowers and leaves, berries and twigs. I’d stir the pot and say “Drink the brew… he he he…” in my witchiest voice… One thing I used to fantasise about was having the ability to change the weather – I wanted so badly to unleash sunlight on the grey days. It’s in this song that Kate Bush fantasises about the same thing, and in this video she’s a child too! This song makes me feel more connected to her and also connected to that happy memory as a carefree witchling trying to change the weather! These lyrics say it all and I believe this to be true: “I just know that something good is gonna happen… but just saying it could even make it happen.”

Aldous Harding – ‘The Barrel’
There’s something kind of otherworldly about Aldous Harding and this song summarises her off-kilter, elegant style perfectly. Her lyrics are like poetry, so I’m not entirely sure what she’s on about, but the great thing about poetic lyrics is that they can mean whatever you want them to mean. For me, Aldous represents an outsider, and back in the day she would have definitely been burnt at the stake in Salem along with me and all my friends (she’s dressed like a Salem witch in this video!). Perhaps that scar in our matriarchal history is not something to celebrate, but it’s important that we don’t forget the suffering of the women that paved the way for women today, and it’s songs like this one that helps me find a way to honour our herstory.

The Warlocks – ‘Song For Nico’
As a believer in equal opportunity, I thought it might be nice to celebrate our brothers from another mother – The Warlocks – because not all witches identify as female, and not all warlocks are male – it’s not really about gender, it’s about equality. This song celebrates Nico, goddess of The Velvet Underground, and is a deep cut from The Warlocks second album Rise and Fall. It came out a long time ago now, but the psych-rock, reverb-drenched guitars sound timeless; Nico will always be a will-o’-the-wisp for me, and apparently she inspired The Warlocks too!

Massive thanks to Piney Gir for sharing her witchy Five Favourites with us! Watch the beautiful new video for ‘The Seventh Dial’ below:

Alchemy Hand, the latest EP from Piney Gir, is out now via Reckless Yes.

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